Stopping Negative Voting

Feature Upgrade · World management · Created by Therizino-deleted
closed

What functionality is missing? What is unsatisfying with the current situation?

Voting for different topics are great, but the fact that people can vote against topics is very annoying, some people might just vote against something for fun, and thats not something that I believe is good for the World Anvil Community.
Furthermore, progress and development is a good, important topic so that this website can get better and better, why would we hold greatness back?
This is why it woul be a good decision to remove the feature in voting where you can vote against something.
Even if a request in undoable or expensive to integrate into this website, that is why there is a team that works on rejecting or accepting these ideas.
Another fear some people may have might be about inappropriate suggestions, but again, that is why there is a team working for World Anvil to accept and reject these ideas.
If a majority of people are still afraid of a certain thing being made, than they can just suggest to change, upgrade, or even remove said feature.  

How does this feature request address the current situation?

This would be able to have more ideas brought to the table, as voting against features hinders progress of this website.
Personally, I want this website to be developed over time because I want to be able to use all sorts of great features, and I don't want the dreams of possible features to be held back.  

What are other uses for this feature request?

This feature will impact not just voting, but practically every other suggestion, if we do add this feature that will mean more features will be able to be analyzed, thought through, and added.

The Team's Response

Hi! We're closing this as neither accepted nor declined because it's not technical a feature suggestion, but a suggestion to change our processes.   Please keep in mind that we read and discuss all suggestions, regardless of the number of votes it gets. In fact, we often dedicate significant discussion time to suggestions with many negative votes, to make sure we understand why the community had that response. Unfortunately, we can't develop all of the features, as we are a small team and have limited resources. The feature suggestion system is a way for us to understand what the priorities of the community are, which we then use to inform the final decisions we take. In order for this to work as we need it to, negative votes need to be part of the process, as they often come with useful comments.   That said, while we're not looking to remove negative votes, we are considering changes to the feature suggestion system.
Current score

48/300 Votes · -11405 points

Votes Cast

  • -300

    by Morgor
    on 2024-06-04 21:53
  • -1

    by theseanyboy
    on 2024-06-04 20:29
  • -300

    by FelixKitKat
    on 2024-06-02 23:59
  • -300

    by jester2b
    on 2024-06-02 21:52
  • -300

    by Akmedrah
    on 2024-06-02 07:27
    If you desire to see this website progress and evolve using the feature recommendations, why would you want to take away your ability to unequivocally say no to a feature that you think make the site worse.
  • -1

    by NiwdeMaster
    on 2024-06-01 18:36
  • -300

    by Kaleidechse
    on 2024-06-01 09:24
    Being able to clearly say "no" is very important for a meaningful discussion. Without downvotes, it would be impossible to tell the difference between a feature that people simply do not care about and a feature that people are actively against for one reason or another.   Take, for example, a minor QoL improvement that has people thinking "I don't need it, but I won't complain if it happens." Compare that with, for example, a request to change a feature that many people rely on. Without downvotes, they could not properly express that the requested change would break their workflow. Sure, they could give +1 and a comment with their reasons against the feature, but this would force them to pretend that they agreed to a certain measure.   And like several others have said, just because more features are suggested, the WA team does not magically get the resources to implement all of them. They already do check every suggestion. Knowing whether a suggestion is merely uninteresting or actively disliked helps with figuring out the priorities.
  • -300

    by Silver Wind Dragon
    on 2024-05-31 16:24
  • -300

    by A Wild Mimic
    on 2024-05-31 07:10
  • -300

    by Ormus_Erebus
    on 2024-05-30 21:14
    We're not going to pull a YouTube and hide/get rid of the thumbsdown button.
  • +100

    by krazycanucks
    on 2024-05-29 12:00
  • -300

    by prestonthedm
    on 2024-05-24 13:28
  • -300

    by A Cute Unicorn
    on 2024-05-22 17:23
  • -300

    by FinalLegacy
    on 2024-05-21 21:24
  • -300

    by A Fierce Mlem
    on 2024-05-21 01:17
  • -300

    by Bonsai_killer
    on 2024-05-20 15:42
  • -300

    by spooktacular
    on 2024-05-20 12:28
    Being able to vote both ways is important in a balanced community! World Anvil is made up of mostly respectful people, and not all ideas are good or serve the community, even if they were put forward with good intentions. Your argument of the World Anvil team being able to make all the decisions on changes removes the point of community votes all together; I feel like being able to vote in both directions makes my opinion heard properly.
  • -1

    by DesNordlund
    on 2024-05-20 08:43
    It's not fun to have a suggestion downvoted, but I think there is a point to it. I've a suggested feature in the list right now. It has not that many votes but those who voted do like the feature idea. Those who don't vote simply has not found the use for the feature, which is fine, but they also don't mind to put the feature there. If you downvote, you either feel the suggeestion would damage your experience of World Anvil, or that you think that the developers' time could be used to other things. Both I think are valid opinions too take into consideration.   I do think tough, that a downvote MUST come with a comment.   I had a suggestion with ONE who put in -300 without any reason explained, and that becomes a pointless statement.
  • -300

    by Adcheryl
    on 2024-05-18 16:42
  • -300

    by A Filthy Devil
    on 2024-05-18 04:28
  • -300

    by BCGR_Wurth
    on 2024-05-17 18:32
  • -300

    by A Goodhearted Dryad
    on 2024-05-17 14:51
  • -100

    by JackLink916
    on 2024-05-15 08:26
  • -300

    by Sirjwinsalot
    on 2024-05-15 01:31
  • -300

    by A Enfeebled Skeleton
    on 2024-05-14 19:11
  • -1

    by Gaëlle S.
    on 2024-05-14 12:29
    Please don't censor people. I think we are civil and mature enough on WA to use and receive downvotes properly. There is nothing fun in downvoting someone and features won't become better or more numerous just because we can't downvote. Bad ideas would get implemented though, because there wouldn't be any way for others to point out how bad the idea can be.
  • -300

    by Dalf32
    on 2024-05-13 23:44
  • -300

    by lolmatter
    on 2024-05-13 02:02
  • -300

    by A Frightened Mimic
    on 2024-05-12 18:18
  • -300

    by SoulLink
    on 2024-05-12 18:03
    The number of feature requested upvoted really, really does not have any correlation to the number of features being implemented. The team doesn't just suddenly have more time or resources.
  • -300

    by DMFW
    on 2024-05-12 10:15
    Downvoting does have an important use, as others have pointed out already. I prefer to vote positively for suggestions but sometimes a down vote is valuable. I think it's always good to respect the person behind the suggestion and particularly with downvotes I feel a polite explanation helps to keep discussion civil and foster positive debate. WA is a supportive community and downvotes shouldn't be personal or whimsical. Based on what I read on these boards I don't think they are being abused.
  • -300

    by BasicDragon
    on 2024-05-12 03:47
  • -300

    by Kittymonster
    on 2024-05-11 20:12
  • -300

    by A Glamorous Ooze
    on 2024-05-11 19:16
    Coming from someone who's put forward suggestions in the past, I'm glad for the downvote feature because it allows people to express their true opinions about a possible feature. If nobody would like or use it, that's extremely helpful for the staff to know when they reject or accept something. Removing the downvote feature would silence people's opinions and make the feature voting system practically useless.
  • -300

    by Evanarix
    on 2024-05-11 17:52
    Others have put his much better already, but I just wanted to say, that removing the downvote will not make people like suggestions, it will just reroute them. I believe history, and recent history at that, has taught us this is not a good idea.
  • -300

    by WeStanNikolai
    on 2024-05-11 16:21
  • +300

    by JoellaKay
    on 2024-05-11 16:11
  • -300

    by Mochimanoban
    on 2024-05-11 16:04
  • -300

    by tjtrewin
    on 2024-05-11 16:01
    Interesting suggestion and I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint! As someone who likes to put forward feature suggestions I can understand your frustration when some people downvote it or don't think it's a good idea, and I don't think they do so lightly or spend their coins just for fun.   Sometimes it's clear to the community that a feature already exists and we can downvote with a comment to let the person know where the feature is and let the team know to disregard the request.   Other times feature suggestions can be really niche and specific, likely to be used only by the requester or like 5 other people - some people don't want such features and others in the community we would rather the dev team prioritise other requested features.   People often comment with their downvote with an alternative solution or workaround that the requester can do in World Anvil   The ability to downvote (as well as upvote) is the thing that speeds up the team's decision-making process for feature releases and QoL improvements to the site :D   The team manually reviews every single suggestion and replies to them here, so I don't think that removing negative votes would mean that more features get analysed.   Besides, it's often encouraged that when features get declined due to low support they can be resubmitted again :)
  • -300

    by grinningsatyr
    on 2024-05-11 14:12
  • -300

    by cow2face
    on 2024-05-11 12:57
    This is the logic behind dictatorships
  • -1

    by Buzzard
    on 2024-05-11 12:42
    If you can only vote yes or stay silent, then it really wouldn’t be much of a voting system. If a lot of members really dislike a suggestion, that’s something that the team needs to know when deciding on whether or not to implement. Silencing negative opinions and implementing more suggested features will likely inspire anger and disharmony as more suggestions get posted to undo past suggestions. I think it’s better to allow members to express themselves and voice their opinions before changes are made.
  • -300

    by A Filthy Bananafolk
    on 2024-05-11 10:39
  • -300

    by Amancham
    on 2024-05-10 19:29
    Voting against something costs points, just as voting for something does. So I don't think that people vote against suggestions just for fun.

    WA has a very small team and they can't add everything the huge community wants. That's why the voting system is there. So they don't invest a ton of time and energy to implement something that most people dislike, don't need or don't ever use. They want to focus their energy on things that will help the bigger part of the community with their worldbuilding.
    Let's say we take away the ability to say "no" to a feature suggestion (no matter if that is "I don't want it", "I don't need it" or whatever reason to say no) Let's say there are three suggestions. A has a ton of upvotes and points, B and C have about the same amount, though a lot less than A. Unfortunately, A can't be implemented at this time so the team works on implementing B and C. Once they are done, they release the two new features and the suggestion board gets flooded with the request to take feature B back or change it in a way that would require a complete re-invention of the feature. Now the team has to either invest a ton of time to change it or roll it back and they will have lost valuable time they could have used to implement other features that a lot of people would have wanted. All because people were not allowed to voice their dislike for Suggestion B.
    Or the feature suggestions get flooded beforehand already because people need to make a suggestion to counter suggestion B and it is a lot more for the team to wade through. How does that make the system better?

    Votes do not make or break a suggestion. Things get implemented despite low points and a couple of downvotes because the devs see the value or it is a very easy change. I don't think the community needs to be silenced. Sure, it would help if people did also leave a comment to explain why they are against something, but you can't force them to do so. klicking like or dislike (or in this case + or - X points) is just easier and still shows the overall opinion.

    Of course progress and development are important but the devs are doing so much and are constantly working on improving WA and make it the best experience for everyone of us. Maybe it's a language problem (not a native speaker) but I find it almost offensive to say that greatness is not possible as long as the users in the community are allowed to show if they don't like something. Dimi and his team are no mindless robots that don't think for themselves, after all.

    Just my thoughts and opinions on this suggestion.
  • -300

    by Scalenex
    on 2024-05-10 18:04
    There are such thing as bad ideas, even well intentioned bad ideas.
  • -300

    by YngAnvil1
    on 2024-05-10 17:49
  • -300

    by A Adorable Unicorn
    on 2024-05-10 16:55
  • -300

    by A Revolutionary Orc
    on 2024-05-10 13:54
  • +300

    by Therizino-deleted
    on 2024-05-10 13:27